The Most Frequently Asked Orion Questions

ManageWP Orion dashboard

The recent Orion launch has been a truly unique experience, and we’ve gotten a ton of great feedback and a lot of questions. We’ve updated the Orion FAQ, but I wanted to go into more detail on some of the most important topics.

The Cost and New Plans

Orion looks great, but I’m concerned about the cost and the possibility of it killing my profit margin.

This is the one of the most asked Orion questions. We worked hard to gain your trust and respect in the past five years, and we’re not going to let you down now. Whatever pricing model we decide to adopt, it needs to give you at the very least a similar set of tools as the ones you have right now, for a similar price.

What pricing model are you thinking of?

We ran surveys and talked to a lot of WordPress people. Our initial plan to create a per-website, per-tool pricing was not as well received as we expected. So we decided to explore a more straightforward solution – remain with the current plans, with the ability to mix and match them within a single ManageWP account. We have some other ideas floating around the office, and we’d like you to chip in with ideas of your own! Write it down in the comment section and I’d be happy to discuss it.

What about the price?

Apart from not having a pricing model, we’re also not sure about the Orion backup operating cost. It’s built to be the most reliable and robust backup solution, but we want to make sure we know the operating costs before we decide on the price. Real-time backups like VaultPress cost $15/month; we’re confident that we can provide more value for less money.

Does Orion cost extra right now, while it’s in mirror mode?

Nope. It is completely free, although you need to be on a Trial, Standard, Professional or Business plan to try it.

Development

Where is the clone/security scan/uptime monitoring/etc. tool?

All the classic ManageWP tools missing in Orion are in the making and will be implemented in the coming months. You can check out the Orion roadmap to track the progress.

What’s the timeline on further Orion development?

  • October 27, 2015: Orion released in mirror mode. Has some of the classic ManageWP tools missing.
  • October 2015 – February 2016: Classic ManageWP tools implemented into Orion.
  • End of February 2016: Classic ManageWP gets phased out, Orion becomes the sole management dashboard.
  • March 2016 and beyond: It’s up to you. And our product manager. But mostly you 🙂

I speak English, but my clients do not. Will you implement client report localization?

Yep! You guys can help us here. After the February release, we will work on a fully customizable client report, so you can do whatever you want with it. The client report is one of those things that really demonstrates your commitment and professionalism to your clients, and we want to make sure your client report conveys this perfectly.

Do you support multisite instalations?

Not for now. Multisite network architecture is a lot different than single-site installations. If you have a multisite on your classic ManageWP account, it will not be mirrored into Orion.

Do you plan on supporting multisites in the future?

100% support is unlikely because of all the architectural differences. What we’re considering is multisite support without the backup/clone tool, which is possible without sinking in a huge amount of development hours. Right now, the focus is on releasing all the tools from the Orion roadmap. Once we get there, we’ll see where your feedback takes us.
Quick update: We have decided to support multisite installations. For more information, check out this article.

Backups

What’s going to happen to the old backups? Will they be replaced by Orion backups?

The old backup system is here to stay, for two reasons: cost and flexibility. Initially, we planned to phase out the old backup, but we started talking to you about all the creative ways you’re using Dropbox, Google Drive, and other external destinations to improve your workflow. This is something that we cannot implement without significantly increasing the Orion backup operating cost, so we decided to keep them both — the old backup for low cost and flexibility, and Orion backup for reliability and peace of mind.

Can I set up the number of backups being made each day?

Yeah! Pick a site, choose View Backups, and in the Backup settings you’ll find a slider that goes from 1 to 4 backups. The final release of Orion (scheduled for the end of February) will go all the way up to real-time backups.

What are your plans for external backup destinations in Orion?

Orion backups are saved on our private Amazon S3 cloud storage. No ETA currently on the external backup destinations, for reasons mentioned in one of the earlier answers.

I have backups set on classic ManageWP, but they are not shown on Orion. Why?

Orion backups and classic ManageWP backups are completely separate for now. At some point we will carry over the classic backups to Orion to give you full flexibility over your backups.

For a broader view, visit our Orion FAQ page. We’ll update it as new features and questions arise, so make sure to check it out from time to time.

Nemanja Aleksic Avatar

77 responses

  1. Hayden Avatar
    Hayden

    Nemanja, this is a very encouraging post. The decision to change direction to meet the needs and wants of your customers shows a clear intent to satisfy the customer instead of forcing them to a new system that costs more money. I had to pick a price point for my customers that they could deal with and that is based on the tool sets that I needed to obtain to provide such a service. Obviously costs go up over time but you usually expect them to be incremental rather then exponential.

    I am glad to hear that the old backup system is sticking around at least until you offer external backup options for Orion backup. I am more then thrilled with the Orion backup but it really comes down to cost. All sites really need at least some form of backup and while some clients could afford a robust expensive backup system monthly, most cannot. You mention the comparison to VaultPress and I will say the reason I choose ManageWP originally is because of cost. Backup is just one facet to providing hosting service and with nearly every software you buy having a yearly recurring fee there is plenty to consider. I do hope you find a price point that provides you guys with the profit margin you deserve (for this amazing new system) while keeping it within the realm that your average customer can swallow.

    I’ve been thrilled with the responsiveness of your development staff throughout the beta to feedback and I very much look forward to the new feature sets that you have in store for Orion. I was really surprised by the UI change at the end of the beta. It was drastically better and I wasn’t expecting that. Also, I’m happy that you are keeping the existing service tiers for simplicity’s sake.

    Thank you for the post.

  2. Monster Creative Avatar
    Monster Creative

    Hey Nemanja,
    Can I just confirm then, we will be paying more for Orion Backups eventually. Just not yet? Or am I getting this wrong?
    I’ve been starting to switch all my top client accounts to Orion but will hold off until I know about the cost.
    Thanks.

  3. alice@siteinsightnow.com Avatar
    alice@siteinsightnow.com

    We are trying the Orion beta and we can’t see the SERP/SEO tool. That’s one of the main things we use in ManageWP. Is this feature going to be added? Will it be improved from the way it is in ManageWP, where the keywords are all mooshed together and not sorted by client site?

  4. TONYX Avatar
    TONYX

    Hi,
    Where (location) are the Orion Backups saved?
    Considering the recent invalidated US-EU Safe Harbor agreement, for European customers all data should be kept on servers in a European datacenter.
    Is this the case, or will there be an option to choose the location?
    Thanks,
    Stefan

  5. joshua.steele@cloudmedialab.com Avatar
    joshua.steele@cloudmedialab.com

    “You can check out the Orion roadmap to track the progress.”

    The roadmap infographic doesn’t include Code Snippets. Will Code Snippets be present in Orion?

  6. Phil Avatar
    Phil

    Like others here, I’m rather looking forward to knowing the final cost of Orion backup (admittedly I wasn’t really aware that it would cost extra when I switched some clients over from VaultPress). Maybe a tiered pricing plan like VaultPress would make sense, with real-time backup being more expensive than basic once-daily?
    Apart from that, big kudos to the team: Orion looks really nice and is a pleasure to use.

  7. hnorfleet@samsa.com Avatar
    hnorfleet@samsa.com

    Loving the new Orion interface! I did find a typo in the reporting feature:
    Overview
     Updates
    1 plugin and theme update preformed.

    I’m fairly certain the update was performed, not preformed.

    Cheers!

  8. brian@foxxr.com Avatar
    brian@foxxr.com

    I look forward to seeing scheduled reporting. This would be a valuable addition to your features. Thanks for making our lives easy!

  9. info@webseoanddesign.com Avatar
    info@webseoanddesign.com

    how can i delete out a site from Orion?

  10. josh@josh-bowers.com Avatar
    josh@josh-bowers.com

    Look forward to the changes. Especially the option to have different sites on different plans. All my client sites are on ManageWP so I can manage updates and spam. Some clients pay me extra for security and back up and currently I have backupbuddy for those clients… Would save me a lot of time if I could manage them all at once.

    I like the current pricing model a lot so that I can adjust for each site depending on the client’s contract. I’d be happy to spend $1.00/site for the basics and $2.50/site for auto backup. I think the max I could do for auto backup is $5.00/site.

    Realistically I think most sites only need to be backed up once a week with a 2 month archive. Daily backups are excessive and I just don’t need it… I manage 14 sites on here, with another 5-8 else where. My business partner manages another 20-30 or so. Between the two of use we average managing around 50 sites a year. None of them need daily backups… Most don’t update their website but every couple months.

    Look forward to everything yall are doing! Very pleased so far.

  11. gmurray@gmurray.biz Avatar
    gmurray@gmurray.biz

    I don’t get it. Seems like a new UI (maybe a little prettier, not necessarily better) and discussions of raising prices. What am I missing? Is there a compare sheet of MWP Classic vs Orion?

  12. mlux@graphiclux.com Avatar
    mlux@graphiclux.com

    Is there a way to add items to Orion’s reporting? In Manage WP you can add line-items for the PDF report. I do not see a way to do this in Orion so far. From what I can tell so far there really is not much difference between ManageWP and Orion other than the look and interface, and way better backup’s (which were needed because most of my backup’s fail on ManageWP). Why would there be a price change at all, seems like a normal upgrade of a platform.

  13. robin Avatar
    robin

    I find the text too pale in colour for me – the sidebar especially is so pale it looks greyed out (I have a very good screen). When I look back at the old interface it looks immediately crisper and easier to use.

  14. marcel@marcelbrown.com Avatar
    marcel@marcelbrown.com

    I’ve researched and not found anything definitive on how far back Orion will retain backups. Is there any information on the backup retention period for Orion?

  15. seo@spirita.net Avatar
    seo@spirita.net

    I am concerned about having to download my backups one at a time – very time-consuming. I feel I have to do this as I regularly seem to have to reset or re-add sites then access to backups disappears.

  16. Complete Essay Avatar
    Complete Essay

    Great! I am going to check out the article its very informative thanks to share this.

  17. paul.kuepfer@irecruit.ch Avatar
    paul.kuepfer@irecruit.ch

    Hi,

    Is there or will there be the opportunity to use clef as a login solution ?

  18. kumoink Avatar
    kumoink

    Hi Guys, just trying Orion out for the first time – very nice. I’ve been using this since it was in beta, so nice to see it progressing.

    Regarding Backups. I don’t actually use ManageWP for backups currently (never have), so I have always just been on the standard plan.
    We are on the 50 sites tier, so that’s around $32 per month.

    I tried out backup in Orion on one site (as that is all I’m allowed to switch on as Standard user) and loved how well it works.
    If I move to the Professional plan, which jumps to $75.00 for 50 sites I’m assuming I’ll then be able to then use Orion backup for all of my sites (at least while it is in beta)?

    I know you don’t have firm details on pricing for Orion, but can you give any indication if the Orion pricing for backup is going to be much more than the ManageWP Professional plan is at the moment?
    I really don’t want to start using this thing if the pricing is going to be way out of the box and I’m going to have to jump ship (for the backups at least) and move elsewhere.

    Thanks, 🙂

  19. tiffb83@gmail.com Avatar
    tiffb83@gmail.com

    I took a brief look at Orion..it looks like it basically does the same thing as ManageWP.
    Currently, I’m paying around $17/month for unreliable backups, and the ability to clone sites that fail more than 50% of the time.
    Your support has been very responsive, though…but still a source of much frustration when clones don’t happen and can’t be explained why they don’t work.
    What is nice is a dashboard that updates the plugins all at once, and I can see all my sites at one glance.
    Because your backups are unreliable, I have already purchased an alternative lifetime plugin for automatic backups that I can use on all of my websites.
    I suggest you grandfather current customers in at your current pricing and do not raise the rates.

  20. andreas.karman@weupnorth.se Avatar
    andreas.karman@weupnorth.se

    Great work with Orion!

    I have a question regarding the API (http://managewp.com/docs/api/). As the moment its limited to user management, but I’m currently upgrading our company dashboard (using Dashing) and would like to retrieve data from ManageWP using the API. Is this something you have in the roadmap?

  21. John Avatar
    John

    I manage quite a few wordpress sites so I am happy to give this a try.

  22. Donna McMaster Avatar
    Donna McMaster

    I really appreciate the way you’ve kept us in the loop on Orion’s trajectory, and how quickly and helpfully you always respond to my queries and concerns. You even respond to criticism with grace and humor. 🙂 I like Orion’s direction, and your communication skills make me comfortable as I patiently wait for it to mature.

    Kudos!
    Donna

  23. ellegaard Avatar
    ellegaard

    Another great update – you continue to make so hard to feel disappointed! ;o)

  24. innocent_babu@live.com Avatar
    innocent_babu@live.com

    Orion is indeed a great update on a whole new level. Most reliable, peace of mind and ability to download your backups anytime on maximum available download speed. Before joining the Managewp.com i was member of Vaultpress.com. I was thinking of great about Vaultpress until i really needed them in action to restore my website into new host. My site was about 8GB in size and as per the way their system works, first they needed to examine the whole backup to make an archive which took 5 hours and then start restoring to the host which took another 3 hours. And the worst part was 3 times failure of process which wasted my almost 3 days. After experiencing such thing i decided to find another reliable solution. I google and google and read many of many articles, check different plugins and in last stop at managewp.com. And i bet managewp.com would never be better than Vaultpress if you guys didn’t introduce the Orion.
    Orion helps me take the backup of my site in few minutes and enable me to download it within an hour on my maximum available download speed. Then i restored my site manually that takes next few hours because Orion is currently providing Beta version of restore so i decided not to take a chance on it. But the conclusion is you guys are awesome.

    One thing that i don’t know if it is available in roadmap is better Google analytics reports in Orion. Managewp classic is currently providing more efficient and detailed analytics reports than Orion. And i will glad to see the better version of it in Orion.

  25. daniel@capensis.biz Avatar
    daniel@capensis.biz

    When will you be adding Sub-Account Access to the New Orion interface?

  26. r.hertogs@2function.nl Avatar
    r.hertogs@2function.nl

    Very glad that the client report can be localized! In need of a Dutch translation? Give me a call.

  27. Tyler Avatar
    Tyler

    I am pumped with Orion.

    The main thing that I was very excited about was the initial pricing idea. It is perfect. We manage around 30 websites and they all have different needs. Allowing the ability of per website pricing seems perfect. I have no idea why people would not like that?? What am I missing…its how it should be.

  28. daron@502mediagroup.com Avatar
    daron@502mediagroup.com

    Just wanted to comment that our preferred backup schedule would probably be daily, as our content/data entry is usually all done within a matter of days. If a client inputs 20 pages in one day, then the next day, they break something and we have no choice but to roll back, I would hate for them to have to recreate that content. With a daily backup, we potentially only lose a small amount of work, and we can always manually backup if we’re really worried.

    Currently, we pay for 15 sites on the Professional level at $30/month per your current model. I think Orion and the much better backup system is probably worth an extra 20-30% price increase for us, as that’s essentially the only thing we use it for besides plugin/theme updates.

    We are debating on moving to the Business plan as well though…something to think about 🙂

  29. Chris Edwards Avatar
    Chris Edwards

    I was hoping to see you guys at WordCamp US this year but did not see a booth. Not sure if your team was there or not.

    The question I wanted to ask is in relation to multiple ManageWP accounts for one site. I have a client that I do Maintenance for and they use ManageWP simply for the ease of logging into client accounts. I would like to use ManageWP for all the features including custom reports for them. Is there any plans for the ability to connect two ManageWP accounts to one WordPress site?

    I also see you have A LOT on your plate to launch still for Orion before February. I was a beta tester and I notice not a lot of progress seems to have been made publicly over the past few months. Is there anyway to see the status of the road map or an idea when features may be rolling out? I am currently deciding between using another system or Orion but still missing key features. I don’t mind switching over and telling my clients the reports will be lacking till February but do not want to push back too far beyond there. (Key features I am looking for is in the client reports. I want to provide SEO rank data, uptime monitoring and scheduled reports.)

    Thanks for everything, the product looks great so far.

  30. Brandy Avatar
    Brandy

    I really love ManageWP (and the new Orion). Unfortunately for me, about 90% of my clients have multisite installs so it looks like I need to find another solution. 🙁

  31. steven@inceptionwebdesigns.com Avatar
    steven@inceptionwebdesigns.com

    Maybe I missed it somewhere, but how long do the Orion backups on your Amazon S3 servers remain before being deleted? There does not seem to be any retention settings. The only retention settings are for uploading to an external destination.

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